>Hmm, the problem is there isn't alot of copper tubing... >most of the tubing is synthetic and doesn't really conduct >heat that good... maybe insert a small piece of copper >tube between it and epoxy the LM35 to it... But submerging >it in the water should be a bit easier... just need a really >small packaging (so-8? or maybe i should check if maxim has >a small LM35 like chip...) There is another possibility, but I think you may find it somewhat more expensive. IIRC the LM35 is a voltage output sensor. The Analog Devices AD590 is a current output temperature sensor, but as a sensor I think is more expensive. It does have some other nice characteristics however. It is 1uA/K so at 0 degrees C it is 273uA. My favourite method of using it is to have a 10k ohm resistor to ground at the micro A/D, which then gives 10mV/K which is easily measured. It's other advantage is that being a current device, it only require 2 wire connection, and provided you maintain more than about 5V across the sensor, the wires can be any length. We normally mount a 1nF capacitor across the sensor leads right at the sensor to stop RF and any other noise upsetting the sensor. It comes in a metal TO92 package like the LM35, but also comes in a small flat ceramic package which may be more easily fitted into a tube for your sort of use. -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics