Byron A Jeff wrote: . > ... here: > http://cat.pinnacle.com.tw/ic/emc/8bit/other/PROGRAM%20TIMING.pdf > > The short answer is no. The programming pinout and > algorithm is completely different that the standard > microchip one. > > BTW these only seem to be OTP. Mike, do you know if > they have a windowed part that's eraseable. > > I'd guess that this part myst be extremely price > sensitive if it's worth taking a look at. Can you > give a cost estimate? . I'm not sure the above-mentioned .pdf is the only document on programming the chip. Why should they bother with a windowed or flash parts? For developing they could use original parts. They aim at mass very cheap non-updatable market. These parts are present here in Ukraine, though price information is unavailable until you show real intentions to buy them. Also there are rather cheap devices with these parts inside. I was called to repair some of them. I asked what parts are inside, then started to collect docs. The rest is on the List. From your URL "pinnacle.com.tw/ic/emc": "Elan Microelectronic Corp" http://www.emc.com.tw/ subdivision of "Pinnacle Technology Corporation" http://www.pinnacle.com.tw/ --------------- Mike. PS: by the way, the things' outputs could be programmed as open drains, if I'm not mistaken. -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads