I spoke with a Microchip tech support guy today about the ICD2, and he said that it will support the 16F87X and other 16 series chips soon. Not sure if anyone already knew that, but I thought it was useful info to pass on to the group. He said to watch the MPLAB updates for it. -J Jeremy S. Walworth "I fly, I sail, I throw caution to the wind" -Jimmy Buffett http://www.jeremyanddarcy.com -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList mailto:piclist-unsubscribe-request@mitvma.mit.edu