Hi, I am another newbie and ,like many on this list, from the 3rd world (Brazil). I have one of those experimental boards with a 877 with which I was able to design a video time code reader. However, when I tried to implement a more compact circuit with a 628 I ran into trouble quickly since my board wasn't compatible and my computer ports are those low voltage versions which won't work with many programmers. I just find the experimental board too limiting for the projects I have underway. I would like to put together a prototype hardware package and program by ICSP so I can get it out in the field and start using it and bringing it in to modify easily. So my vote would be for an ICSP package with "idiot-proof" instructions on implementing ICSP in the target circuits. Also, the 3rd world aspect. Many of us have real dificulty importing kits and programmers. Costs which are moderate to you become very large to us by the time they are converted to our currency and have up to 60% tax applied. So please KISI (Keep It Simple, Intelligent)! Thank-you for the great resource that you are. I hope to learn enough to be able to contribute something some day. Bruce Douglas -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email listserv@mitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body