The fancy chip inserter slipped , and I had to make a grab for the PIC. Then I inserted the PIC onto the breadboard and powerup. Tum te tum. 20 sec+ Nothing. Poweroff. Have a quick look. Pic has been inserted the other way around. Smack forehead and turn it right way round. Program runs. I tried reprogramming it with another program. That works okay. Goody. How do I know if there was no internal damage ? The device is a 16F84-4. Anyone got code and hookup that will ascertain that all is well? Every port and timer ? Every programming location and ram and other oscillator setup? You know , put it through the paces . Anyone did something like this ? And for testing other devices ? Probably I will retire it to some circuit that will not require anything in reliablity and get a 16F628 . Hey maybe even a HVP/LVP programmer for a 16F628. Quite trivial. Vis Naicker -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email listserv@mitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body