> I was going to suggest Kingbright, some product lines from them > are available through RS, but looking round their website doesn't > categorise things the way one would hope. > http://www.kingbright-led.com/Default.asp Nothing I could see in RS, Farnell, DSE or Jaycar I did have a look at Kingbright's range, and this one looks closest http://www.kingbright-led.com/Products/Through-holeLED/l799.htm although it's still not that bright. The red far outshines the green too so you'd have to really cut the red back which gets you back to a not very great overall gain over standard ones, but it seems that's the best around However, the local distributor for Kingbright doesn't stock it, so that means indent and MOQ. Which ain't gonna happen for a run of 20 units. Sigh. The perils of getting your hopes up looking at on-line product ranges -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics