On Thu, Aug 15, 2002 at 10:28:35AM +0300, Vasile Surducan wrote: > On Wed, 14 Aug 2002, Byron A Jeff wrote: > > > > Byron, > > > > > > I've been supporting the idea of a two chip system for a while now, > > > > I'm well aware. Alan's observation that it was the only mechanism to have > > a 16F and 18F config is what finally swayed me. > > > > > and I think this is getting pretty close to something that I'd like > > > to see. Would it be possible to have a hex file for the P-socket > > > chip that would allow it to act in ICD mode on the S-Socket chip? > > > > I think the subject must be changed to PIC advanced KIT ( PAK ) I dropped the beginner only concept a long time ago. I've been trying to adhere to the Perl philosophy "...make the easy things simple, and the difficult things possible." > have you seen any begginer starting with 18F series ? Not yet. But that's only because the are not widespread yet. The 18F series will have a price/performance ratio that will make them formidable in the next few years. It'll soon be the same argument at the 16F84 vs. the 16F628: the latter is better, faster, and cheaper, so why not switch? > they will have hard-attack only by browsing the pages with registers > summary from the datasheet... Maybe. But like all else tutorial projects does wonders for understanding. > > succes, take care at surviving beginners, with PAK-PAK you may kill them > if they survive after reading a whole week of piclist subjects... PAK-PAK. cute. But getting back to the original subject. The second socket will be the one optional component in the Designer. It'll be empty. If Alan had his way there wouldn't even be an actual socket there, just a space to install one if you even needed it. Any beginning material or documentation will only make brief mention of that socket. It's really there only for the intermediate or advanced user and the Designer is perfectly capable of functioning with it unpopulated. BAJ -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads