You are laughing about my english, ehhh ? ;-)

( Wouter may answer better than me to this question, he has experience
learning 10y old childrens to play with PICs... )

Jal is better than basic, C or assembler because:

1. it allowes to start playing with PIC without knowing almost nothing
about the PIC arhitecture ( any beginner is an eager and need this
facility ) nor about C twisted definitions or picbasic crazy
program structure

* try this in assembler and your beginner will be bored after one hour of
pic-ing to flash a led, while my one will already have a functional 7 seg
display working.

2. it's forcing the beginner to learn assembler when he need special
requirements like multitasking or multibyte mathematics

This is happening step by step after a while working with jal... and not
from the beginning, in the mean time the pic arhitecture is already
knowed.
* try this in C and they never learn an assembler math multibyte operation
because they already have it

3. Jal let the beginer to write his own library or routines as he ( very
rarely she)  is seeing with his eyes ( as an example there are already
on the jallist two or three different library/routines for 87x AD
the same for RS232 using hw USART  )

And finaly, jal could be used just as a linker and if...then...else
conditioner for assembler. It has an internal simulator. It's extremely
closed from the hardware implementation.

If you will learn romanian language, { just as poor I know your english
language, :-) } I will send you as a gift my 250 pages of book, with a CD
and the PCB board + programmer I was talking about ( when will be
finished, I hope will be very soon )

best to you,
Vasile
http://www.geocities.com/vsurducan


On Tue, 13 Aug 2002, James Paul wrote:

>  Vasile,
>
>  For my own edification, why is 'JAL' "More proper" than Basic or
>  Assembly for beginners?   I don't understand the reasoning.
>
>                                    Thanks and Regards,
>
>                                           Jim
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Tue, 13 Aug 2002, Alan B. Pearce wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> It would have a number of sexy peripheral items to experiment with,
> >> already provided so there is no difficulty with adding hardware to
> >> experiment, and the owner can therefore leap straight in and learn
> >> software techniques for driving the different items.
> >>
> >> A CD of useful software, tutorials, and example programs would be
> >> provided.
> >>
> >
> >   I'm already thinked to a such PCB/CD/book. It'a almost done but is
> > designed for Jal ( which is more proper for beginners that any
> > assembler or C or picbasic compiler) and will be distributed with our
> > new book. It has a section
> > with +5V supply and 3 different midrange PIC-flash microcontrollers,
> > two of them may be used simultaniously, a serial & parallel  LCD, AD,
> > 4x7seg digits, RS232, RS485, potentiometers, various temperature
> > sensors, eeprom, serial to parallel and reversed registers, leds and a
> > really large protoboard area.
> >  The whole PCB is on a simple eurocard and the user MUST solder his own
> > connection to the pic pins. There isn't hw without sw on PIC land so
> > don't excuse the user to do only PIC programming, that's the bigest
> > mistake you may do. The experimenter must spend an equal time in
> > developing his own hardware and software design. ( even in assembler
> > you may expect your beard growing until finishing the firmware )
> >
> > best,
> > Vasile
> >
> > http://www.geocities.com/vsurducan
> >
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