> But you have > in fact helped make the point that I was trying to make - that is, when > dealing with people for whom English is NOT their first language. what may > SEEM like laziness or rudeness CAN be mainly or completely a result of their > lack of grasp of English. We want to encourage such people - not chase them > away. Only to a point. This is an *English* speaking list. Nobody has to post here. We hold no monopoly on email lists talking about PICs or any other subject. If someone doesn't like the fact that this is an English speaking list, they can go start their own list in whatever language they like. I'm not trying to be elitist, merely selfishly looking out for my own time and comfort. I can deal with a little broken English, but don't want to (and won't) waste a lot of time second guessing what might really really be meant by a post. If someone is asking me for a favor, it's their job to communicate with me the way I ask. If they don't like it, oh well. I've got plenty of other things to do. Also, I don't think broken English is the barrier you make it out to be. For example see posts from Vasily. He obviously struggles with English, but in the end you can usually get the general idea of what he is trying to say. He also comes accross quite clearly as a nice guy who is trying to help rather than an arrogant ingrate who wants someone else to do all the work for him. ***************************************************************** Embed Inc, embedded system specialists in Littleton Massachusetts (978) 742-9014, http://www.embedinc.com -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.