> Under normal circumstances I'd be suggesting that folks > simply by Wouter's WISP628 kit ($17 USD) I don't object! Or take it as a total DIY project (circuit, sources, etc are free for DIY). That is how I started: I started using an (almost) no-components serial port programmer, using it to 'bootstrap' my programmer. Or - when you don't feel like programming one PIC with - buy only a programmed 16f628 and build the rest yourself. > or if uncomfortable with soldering an assembled unit > ($57 USD). Or if they're in a hurry or really cheap simply > build my TLVP. That price is based on myself building one kit, if there these would be sold in substatial numbers I could Olimex do the assembling and the price would go way down. Wouter van Ooijen -- ------------------------------------ http://www.voti.nl PICmicro chips, programmers, consulting -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics