source= http://www.piclist.com/postbot.asp?id=piclist\2002\08\10\141734a Hee hee hee... I know exactly what Ben was saying and I also understand why you would react as you did... Teachers tend to think that because they know what there is to know, they should decide what the student needs to hear... The course content is set by the teachers. Students DO however choose WHICH course to take. And what parts of the course to pay attention to. Please tell us, jumanji (?), what you want in a beginners kit. And other newbies should speak up as well. But keep in mind that you don't know (by definition) what there is to learn. So perhaps the experts should list what they intend for their version of the PBK to teach. Add a web page at piclist.com http://www.piclist.com/techref/idea/website/pageadd.htm and list your ideas on it, then the newbies can vote by posting comments. --- James Newton: PICList.com webmaster, former Admin #3 mailto:jamesnewton@piclist.com 1-619-652-0593 phone http://www.piclist.com/member/JMN-EFP-786 PIC/PICList FAQ: http://www.piclist.com -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads