source= http://www.piclist.com/postbot.asp?id=piclist\2002\08\09\193605a A very accurate assessment... but hope springs eternal. How do you think I know better than to get into designing yet another programmer? I've been there and done that. I do try to learn from my own mistakes, if not from the mistakes of others. http://www.piclist.com/other/failure The CUMP Communitary Universal Microcontroller Programmer http://www.piclist.com/cump is a noble effort to make an extendible programmer for all devices with minimal cost and maximum support from the community... but just as the war isn't won until an 18 year old with a gun is standing on the hill, the project is useless until someone actually builds the device and writes the code. Brandon has a circuit just about ready to go to PCB http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cump/files/CUMP%28A%29/MB_0.2.0.PNG and I'm starting to write the byte code interpreter http://www.piclist.com/cump/bytecode --- James Newton: PICList.com webmaster, former Admin #3 mailto:jamesnewton@piclist.com 1-619-652-0593 phone http://www.piclist.com/member/JMN-EFP-786 PIC/PICList FAQ: http://www.piclist.com -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads