Without wanting to sound naive, have we thought of looking at or asking what beginners want in a PIC kit? As much as the "Developer" is pushed forwards, if it's not what newbies want, we're eliminating a problem that never existed. I expect most would be happy with a reliable, cheap and simple kit that initially allows them to demonstrate a programmed PIC flashing a LED etc etc. I do agree, however, that making it modular (through a wide bus) makes sense so that when they know that that works they can move onto more complicated development projects. Ben -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList mailto:piclist-unsubscribe-request@mitvma.mit.edu