Roman, > I say go for the small programmer, keeping it cheap > as possible. A larger project takes a long time, > will chew up list resources, and will *cost the > beginner more* (and the generous people donating > their time and money). OK, I agree, but I see the point of people wanting to make it something more. > Just a simple zif socket and ability to do F84/F628/ > F877 etc. Cheap and simple as possible. With a > 5-pin header and really simple ICSP tutorial, so they > can even do ICSP with their first project boards. Yes. > Once the beginner needs more than that, they can turn > towards some of the proper products that many nice > businesses (and many listmembers :o) ) make their > income from. OK, Here is a point that I had not considered. Maybe I am not as familiar with what everybody on the list does. I would like to hear from these people, and if anybody sees this as a threat to their income, then we should can this project now. Likewise, if those people see this as an opportunity, then I'd like to hear from them as well. Like I said. Just because I am prepared to do this for little or no profit, does not mean that the distributors have to. I think they should make NORMAL (reasonable) margins on this proposed product. It will still be a cheap package - I can assure you. Regards, Sean -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.