source= http://www.piclist.com/postbot.asp?id=piclist\2002\08\06\234645a Myke, was that an offer to take over as the editor of the http://www.piclist.com/begin page? Please? I must also say that I don't see building the ICD as all that hard... given a good tutorial, pre-programmed chips and a ready made PCB, but perhaps that would be a better SECOND step where a basic programmer for the chip used in the ICD would be a better FIRST step. Finally, I can agree that all the existing programmers require some effort on the part of the beginner, but I honestly don't see that a new design could be any better. I would AGAIN encourage people to improve, produce, or better document the EXISTING designs. Please don't burn cycles re-inventing the wheel when there are so many good designs that need better documetation, examples, improvement and PCBs. --- James Newton: PICList.com webmaster, former Admin #3 mailto:jamesnewton@piclist.com 1-619-652-0593 phone http://www.piclist.com/member/JMN-EFP-786 PIC/PICList FAQ: http://www.piclist.com -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.