At 02:01 PM 8/6/02 -0700, you wrote: >Well, I've got 12 8748s at home that I'm beginning to think about >scrapping because they just don't have the program space for me to be >bothering with them... They're ceramic 40-pins though. Not exactly >easy to drill a hole in. Brass tubing chucked in the drill press, silly putty or equivalent to build a "dam" on the surface, suitable abrasive slurry will work. You could also try the carbide spade bits available at Home Despot etc. but I'm not sure they would work. Best regards, Spehro Pefhany --"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward" speff@interlog.com Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com 9/11 United we Stand -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics