> BTW...is it possible to program the 18F...in circuit without the ICD2? Yes, "normal" ICSP works just fine (using RB6, RB7, etc. and a programmer - we've used the promate II here) -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads