At 10:19 AM 8/5/02 -0400, you wrote: >What's the cost? Well, the incremental cost (ICD2 + PSU + PICDEM2) - (ICD2 + PSU) is shown at $21 (Digikey), it was less at the Masters, of course. DV164006-ND - DV164007-ND = 209 - 188 = $21 The 4-layer board is 6.5" x 4.4" and has: - 3 switches - 5 LEDs (one power, 4 controlled by port pins) - 2.4 x 1.7" proto area, ports all brought out beside it (in order!) - 2 x 16 COG LCD display (non backlit) - cermet trimpot - screw machined sockets for 40/28/18 pin DIPS - 2 regulators - socketed 4MHz fully size clock oscillator - MAX232 equivalent - 24LC256 SEEPROM - 32kHz crystal - two regulators, one of which is the 5-pin TO220 TC74A5 - 9 pin serial connector - RJ11 ICD connector - PIC18F452 in 40 pin DIP - 20mm piezo transducer and driver - 9V battery snap, 2.1mm coaxial power socket, test points, bypass caps and other discretes. (total about 75 parts) The ICD2 is pretty impressive too- interesting what it uses for the USB port CPU. ;-) Best regards, Spehro Pefhany --"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward" speff@interlog.com Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com 9/11 United we Stand -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads