At 09:16 AM 8/5/02 -0400, you wrote: >Actually I'd take an entirely different tack. I'd like to see: > >* A 16F876 or 16F877 with a bootloader in it. >* A MAX232 serial interface. >* Onboard single LEDs, a couple of 7 segments, and an LCD, each with jumpers > so they can be disabled. >* A couple of buttons, a pot, and an opamp for A/D experiments. >* Jacks for ICSP and external I/O >* A breadboard prototyping area You've essentially described the PICdem2, which Microchip throws in for next to nothing with the cute ICD2. I picked up one at the Masters and was surprised at all the stuff in it (18F452 based). It is built on a nice 4-layer board as well, with a cute little COG LCD panel, cermet trimpot, serial port, ICD socket, power socket, prototyping area, SEEPROM, sockets for 18 and 28 pin parts, etc. Best regards, Spehro Pefhany --"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward" speff@interlog.com Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com 9/11 United we Stand -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads