>but if I did it all over again, I would probably >just buy a WARP-13 - cheaper, compatible with MPLAB >and supports some AVR stuff. If you are really going to go with a beginners kit, could I suggest that MPLAB compatibility would make things a lot easier for the beginner? -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads