Ben, > I'd be tempted to make it a few pounds more and include a floppy with the > programming software and example HEX files What the hell is a floppy? We'll supply a CD-ROM loaded with stuff. > and a 16F84 (lets not get on the 16F84 vs 16F826 argument- 16F84s are simpler and if the newbie can't get a > programmer to work, they're going to find the 16F84 pdf file easier to > understand).... Maybe by the time this comes to fruition there will be an extensive source of sample projects for the 16F628? :-) We could definitely supply one Flash chip - and like you, I do not want to get into the argument of which one it should be. Regards, Sean -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList mailto:piclist-unsubscribe-request@mitvma.mit.edu