Yup I realise this. I'm used to working on a minimal profit ( <10% Margin ) from my days running a computer company. There could be plenty of "spin offs" to this product though - especially if there is a "Starter" and "Enhanced" pack - this could attract visitors to my site to buy other items i.e. LCD displays (which I've got a good deal on), led's etc etc. Prices for zif sockets over here are pretty ridiculous ( 10 gbp retail from the main suppliers for 40 pin zif sockets and around 7 gbp for quantities less than 100 for trade) which puts me off making something like this. I'd be tempted to supply this item as a component kit as well as a ready built and tested kit. On to programmers - comparing a P16Pro design and the original Tait design, the only real difference (apart from using inverting and non inverting buffers) is the use of D4 on the printer port for enabling 40 pin programming through a zif. It seems that just about any 16F8xx part can be programmed from this design (reading newsgroups - please everybody feel free to correct me). This extra pin could be enabled/disabled using a jumper making this a Tait/P16pro compatible programmer for a couple of pence (cents ;) ) extra. Ideally if we could distribute a complete kit with a 40 pin zif in the UK with the psu and software and leads for 20 ukp (19.99) inc taxes (and maybe make 5 ukp profit after shipping/taxes etc to keep us going) it would be good. An advanced programmer could consist of a serial interface, "intelligent" flash upgradable bios, bootloader, MPLab compatible, monitoring software etc etc and could retail at around the 39.99 ukp as a complete package without ripping people off. Please kick me if I'm being out of line here, treading on anyones toes or being unreasonable wanting to make a 5 ukp profit out of newbies starting out on their programming ;-) All input is welcome whether negative or positive. Regards Dominic ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean Alcorn (SYD)" To: Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 4:40 PM Subject: Re: [PIC]: Piclist Beginners Kit (PBK) > > From: Dominic Stratten > > Reply-To: pic microcontroller discussion list > > Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 16:20:09 +0100 > > To: PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU > > Subject: Re: [PIC]: Piclist Beginners Kit (PBK) > > Dominic, > > > Hey - put me down for interested (UK Based and planning to distribute PIC > > based products) > > You realise we are talking not for profit or as low as possible profit type > product here? > > We could probably look at a "Starter Pack" and a more advanced version > perhaps. > > Regards, > > Sean > > -- > http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList > mailto:piclist-unsubscribe-request@mitvma.mit.edu > > > -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList mailto:piclist-unsubscribe-request@mitvma.mit.edu