Shawn, > Just an idea. Any supporters? I have a factory in Taiwan, and I'd be happy to produce a FINISHED programmer at reasonable cost - complete with power supply, cable, manual, software and ship anywhere in the world. I'd be happy to wear all development costs at my end as my contribution to the list as a thank you for all the support I have received on the list. So how about it? How about between us all we develop a "STANDARD" PICList Programmer. We should all have one - particularly the list Gurus and that should save a lot of their time answering the same questions over and over again. Deciding on that "standard" seems to be the biggest challenge. IMHO - it should be compatible to MPLAB - like the Warp-13, but do not know how difficult this is to do. Regards, Sean -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList mailto:piclist-unsubscribe-request@mitvma.mit.edu