> Alot of people are working in this area, but all of us (weather pic, AVR, 8051 > ...) are banging our heads ATM as there is a massive user base, which is > refusing to donate their spare time in the spirit of GNU / GPL etc and help > out, helping is as simple as writing documentation, finding bugs maybe even a > bit of development work if you are a C junkie ;o) we all want free, we all > want good tools, some of us want to be free from M$ crap, but if ppl do not > help, then nothing happens. How long will it be till people like Scott burn > out, IT IS HAPPENING, look at the number of unfinished projects, then ask > why, it is usually not that it was a bad idea or no one is interested, but > more like no one helped, no one bothered to let the author know his / her > work is apreciated ..... I could rant all day, but you get my drift, IF YOU > WANT FREE TOOLS, SUPPORT THEM, ASK WHAT YOU CAN DO TO HELP !!! If you have to help, then they aren't free. You can just as well "help" to get a good tool developed by paying for a commercial product. In the end you get what you "pay" for either way. ***************************************************************** Embed Inc, embedded system specialists in Littleton Massachusetts (978) 742-9014, http://www.embedinc.com -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics