I can think of one reason for a chips vendor not to offer a free compiler: if they do, no-one else will likely offer another one. This might be a worse situation than having no free compiler but a bunch of competing commercial ones. Wouter van Ooijen -- ------------------------------------ http://www.voti.nl PICmicro chips, programmers, consulting -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics