On Thu, 1 Aug 2002 01:28, you wrote: Hi all, > If you are really that desparate to program in C for free, perhaps you > should look at some of the more mature devices such as the 8051 which > already have open source compilers. http://www.gnupic.org/ Has lots of great resources for the cost concious ppl, yes it is mainly *nix based, but with programs like CGYwin (IIRC have not used winblows for *nix emulation since my servers moved from NT4 to FreeBSD (way back in '96) Atmel is slightly lacking on the *nix support, but is catching up :o) (I have just released version 0.10 of the AVR ASM highlighter for KATE in KDE 3.0.X, and this will be released with the next KDE release (KDE 3.1.0 soon) Alot of people are working in this area, but all of us (weather pic, AVR, 8051 ...) are banging our heads ATM as there is a massive user base, which is refusing to donate their spare time in the spirit of GNU / GPL etc and help out, helping is as simple as writing documentation, finding bugs maybe even a bit of development work if you are a C junkie ;o) we all want free, we all want good tools, some of us want to be free from M$ crap, but if ppl do not help, then nothing happens. How long will it be till people like Scott burn out, IT IS HAPPENING, look at the number of unfinished projects, then ask why, it is usually not that it was a bad idea or no one is interested, but more like no one helped, no one bothered to let the author know his / her work is apreciated ..... I could rant all day, but you get my drift, IF YOU WANT FREE TOOLS, SUPPORT THEM, ASK WHAT YOU CAN DO TO HELP !!! Regards, Kat. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- K.A.Q. Electronics Software and Electronic Engineering Perth, Western Australia Phone +61 (0) 419 923 731 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics