Here is Asia the first uC chip for the beginner is clear: use an Atmel 89C2051. I just got these local quotes in Hong Kong for 500 pieces: AT89C2051-24PC $US0.62 PIC16F84A-04P $US1.75 PIC16F628-20P $US2.53 I suggest these prices indicate the Production usage of PIC and Atmel chips in the industries of southern China where most of the brown and white goods, and toys for north America are made. This price difference has been here for over a year. I would be very interested to know why there is a difference and what are the similar price comparisons in north America. regards, Peter Crowcroft DIY Electronics (HK) Ltd PO Box 88458, Sham Shui Po, Hong Kong Factory: voice 852-2304 2250 Fax: 852-2729 1400 M/F, 97 Fuk Wa Street, Sham Shui Po Home: voice 852-2720 0255 Mobile: 6273 2049 Web: http://www.kitsrus.com Email: peter@kitsrus.com Yahoo Messenger 'peter5999' with webcam Pay with Paypal: peter@kitsrus.com ------------------------------------------------------------- -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics