--6TrnltStXW4iwmi0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Tue, Jul 30, 2002 at 10:46:28AM -0700, Brendan Moran wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > > > My primary goal here is to create a programmer > > > with a lower part count than the 'classic 16F84 programmer' as > > > described in the Fpp readme. > > > > Agreed. I took a crack at a HVP programmer too. > > What happened to that design? > It's here: http://www.finitesite.com/d3jsys/proghvp.gif and it's wrong for the same reason that you have the two transistor setup in your latest page: Q2 can only pull the base of the 2N2222 to 5V and the emitter will rise of 0.6V below that. So MCLR cannot be pulled up to Vpp. Let me update it to what will work (Virtual time passes.... DING!) This should work better: http://www.finitesite.com/d3jsys/proghvpv2.gif Grounding the base of the 2N2222 will turn it off pulling MCLR up to 13V. Rasing the base to +5 should give enough current to saturate the transistor pulling the collector to ground. I'll probably go ahead and test this since I have all the parts in my junkbox. And since I'm only doing flash parts, I should be able to get away with a 12V source. > > > I still wouldn't put a long cable anywhere in the setup. Honestly > > if you need a long cable, the serial port is much better designed > > for that type of operation. > > To the best of my knowledge, all home-made programmers have this > issue. Not all. I think Michael Covington actually built the NOPPP programmer so that it works OK with long cables. I'm going to try tying each input line to a 1.37V voltage divider node made of a 180 ohm pullup and a 68 ohm pulldown with a 1K series resistor to each of the cable lines. Then we'll see how it goes. > > > I think I like your original Vpp circuit better with just the > > addition of the base resistor. It's one less transistor and one > > less resistor than your second design. > > So do I--so long as it will work. I've attached the update, taking > into account all your suggestions. I'll attach mine too then! ;-) Comments welcome. 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