This sounds rather like you have a real world situation with a product, and using the hypothetical toasters as an example :) I am not sure you will be able to do the testing without unwrapping them, but after that using a cable finder inside the toaster slot and testing for the signal on the power plug would seem to be the easiest way of doing it. Another method that just may work. Many current model DVM's have a capacitance range on them. Using one of these you could get some calibration values off units that do work satisfactorily for capacitance between phase/ground and neutral/ground. Each depot that has stock should be able to obtain locally a similar suitable meter and do the testing with a limited amount of knowledge, and so should be able to divide their stock into three piles on the basis of different readings, even if they do not have an identical meter. A list of readings faxed back to base should allow someone there to make a definitive decision on which are OK. -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList mailto:piclist-unsubscribe-request@mitvma.mit.edu