http://www.beyondlogic.org/porttalk/porttalk.htm I don't have an icd, but this prog might work. Allows direct communciation with your ports. Aaron -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads