Disregard my previous posting on this thread, it looks like I saw your modified circuit after everybody's postings - just what happens after having three days leave :) >If that warning about sub-Vss voltages was in the F877 manual >instead of the Mid-range manual maybe I wouldn't have lost a >PIC pin. Lesson - read damn everything To be fair Jinx, I have always taken this as being gospel for all mos parts, be they pic's, intel family, motorola family, ordinary cmos, etc. I take precautions against this sort of thing as standard requirement, without reading it in the manual. I get more interested in comments that specifically state pins can go outside the Gnd-Vcc range, and these typically are given in the "features" bit on the first page bold print. -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads