> Is there any other PIC that is better to start with than the F84. Yes. Here are the three "universal hobby" PICs I recommend: 16F628 - 18 pin, more features and lower price than 16F84. 16F876 - 28 pin, full featured 16 family processor. 16F877 - 40 pin, same as 16F876 with more pins. ***************************************************************** Embed Inc, embedded system specialists in Littleton Massachusetts (978) 742-9014, http://www.embedinc.com -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email listserv@mitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body