> > This is basic physics. You can't have something that > > receives radiation > > well but is poor at emitting it or vice versa. If you did, > > you could easily > > construct a "free energy" machine. > > Too strong statements, as for me. Mother Nature > constracted >something that receives radiation > well but is poor at emitting it< : trees, grass. Actually trees and grass receive and emit equally well. However, since their temperature is significantly lower than that of the sun's, they mostly receive compared to the amount they transmit. None of this violates the basic physics I was talking about. They are also moist with has a whole other set of effects on their temperature, none of which are relevant here. > Why "free energy" machines - rather "radiation energy" > machines. In case of trees and grass - "sun radiation > energy" machines. Because the existance of these machines doesn't disprove the existance of things that are good receivers but poor emitters (or the other way around). They are converting incoming radiation into other forms of energy. I thought it was obvious how you could make a "free energy" machine with objects that differ in their reception/transmission. I further thought everyone would agree that such a free energy machine can't exist, thereby proving that objects with different reception/transmission characteristics can't exist. Apparently I was wrong. Suppose object A radiated better than it received, and object B received better than it radiated. Now suppose I surround these objects with perfect reflectors so that they are both "seeing" each other. Both objects start out at the same temperature. After a while, A will radiate more onto B than B will radiate onto A, thereby lowering the temperature of A and raising the temperature of B. I could now use this temperature difference to extract work, getting energy out of the system without having put any in. Furthermore, this process could go on indefinitely. That means power is produced by the system without anything being used up or any power added. Let's hope at least that you think that is a violation of the basic laws of physics, else I'm wasting my time and invite you to go patent a perpetual motion machine. > Human made things are ones, based on energy saving > films, transparent to main sun radiation, while reflecting > infrared. This films are often built in windows. This helps > room to be more warm at winter times. These things exist, but don't disprove what I was saying because the sun and the room aren't at the same temperature. All the coating does is alter the absoption/radiation effeciency spectrum, it does not allow more absorption than radiation at a specific wavelength. ***************************************************************** Embed Inc, embedded system specialists in Littleton Massachusetts (978) 742-9014, http://www.embedinc.com -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email listserv@mitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body