FYI The sample I have is marked as an engineering sample. The 16F877A I have is not however. (16F877A-I/P) -Jim Are these guys in production yet? They look like the 8 pin equivalent to the 16F627 and the 16F870, except with smaller memories. I only wish that they couple have found a way to wiggle MCLR for low voltage programming. BAJ ______________________________ MPLAB compatible PIC programmers. NEWFOUND ELECTRONICS P/L http://www.newfoundelectronics.com ______________________________ -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads