This is ridiculous, but typical. I no longer even read Olin's posts, because mostly they are just a waste of bandwidth, full of RTFM's and such. If he took the combined time he spent posting garbage, and spent it making a reasonably thought-out reply to even one post from a newbie, I would applaud him. Of course, at this point I wouldn't see it, because I no longer read his posts, considering him to be nothing more than a vigilante, like those Volvos in the fast lane preventing the normal flow of traffic. -Bob -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads