> > But (re my earlier response) why use a transistor at all? > > So it's OK to short MCLR to ground with a pushbutton switch that was also > shown on the schematic. The transistor is required unless the MAX232 > 5V-side output is open collector, which I didn't think it was. I don't have > the spec sheet in front of me right now. (as used www.voti.nl/wloader ) Shorting MCLR with a switch is possible with a resistor from the MAX to the PIC. An extra resistor between the MAX and the Vcc is advised to guarantee a MCLR Voltage that is high enough. Wouter van Ooijen -- Van Ooijen Technische Informatica: http://www.voti.nl Jal compiler, Wisp programmer, WLoader bootloader, PICs kopen -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads