Originally I wrote: > I've had one experience with ECS. It was a SMD crystal > (ECS-SR1-4.00-B) on a PIC711 and PIC715. It failed > to work at temperatures higher than 30C (thats > around 86F). Harold followed up with: > In one product where we went surface mount, the > surface mount 4 MHz resonator with caps from Digikey > was unreliable with a 16f628. We surface mounted > leaded devices until we got the board characterized by > murata. Where these SMD crystals from ECS? That would be useful information. Two people experiencing problems with 4 MHz SMD crystals from ECS. Phil Eisermann Electronics Engineer The Ridge Tool Company (440)329-4680 -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.