When talking about stall, we must remember that not only the wings can = stall. The stabilizer can also stall, and because it normally produces = negative lift, the result will be stabilizer up - nose down. Nasty ! A = common cause of stabilizer stall is ice buildup on the stab. The effects = of that ice are often not obvious until you extend flaps or something = when you are about to land, with not enough altitude to recover... So = don't extend flaps if you have ice on the stabilizer :-) Deep stall is even more complicated. Often seen on jets with T-tail and = all engines aft, like BAC 111, DC-9. Wings go into stall, and the = attack actually blocks the airflow around the stabilizer at the same = time. With that engine placing there's no slipstream around the = stabilizer either... and thus the elevator doesn't do what it is = supposed to. Difficult to recover from. I think they crashed the first = BAC111 prototype that way . Regards Attila - SM4RAN -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.