At 09:35 AM 6/28/02 -0700, you wrote: >Thanks. can you post the url here ? Ok, I found it from a search. http://www.xenonresearch.com/index.shtml I've got no connection with this company, no idea whether they are good, bad or indifferent. Their product looks better than it did last time I saw pictures of it (much more finished). I've also seen a nice machine at a Taiwan manufacturer but it is more comparable (price and features) with LPKF, way more expensive. Best regards, Spehro Pefhany --"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward" speff@interlog.com Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com 9/11 United we Stand -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.