> As my areobatics instructor stresses, pull the stick back to position > 'X' at any speed and the wings will stall, so you may be better > monitoring the back pressure on the "stick" to detect when a stall is > imminent. I think that there may be two separate discussions in progress here. When you mention stalling, Tony, you are speaking specifically of a wing stall, rather than not having lift at all. They are two different things. I know of one Russian prop stunt plane that had so much prop force that it could literally hover using its prop. Not to mention that many fighter jets will not stall going straight up unless the throttle is low (for going straight up, less than 90% counts as low) but by that point, the wings are no longer causing any lift, and therefore are stalled, while the aircraft clearly continues to have lift, and is therefore not stalled. The other guy (sorry forget the name and it's waaayyyy back in my PIC box) who was talking about all the different factors was, I think, talking more about when the aircraft would cease to gain lift at all. What I'm trying to say is that a wing can stall and the aircraft can continue on un-stalled (though if the aircraft is stalled, I think you're almost guaranteed to have all wings stalled). It depends on all the factors originally mentioned. If you've built a model jet fighter, and it can climb straight up, chances are that if you punch the throttle, you'll never stall the little beggar, though the wings may only be serving as fins at that point. --Brendan -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics