There are ways to use a stepper motor as well, though I've never tried. The ETC Expression lighting console uses just such an arrangement. Josh Koffman -- A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools. -Douglas Adams Mircea Chiriciuc wrote: > Buy a mouse and you'll have two optical encoders for a very low price. The > mechanics of the knob it's up to you then, but it'quit simple tohugh. -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics