Oops :(( Brain fade is right - I even worked out the times using my watch= dial! I'll blame it on daylight saving! Used brain for sale going cheap. Thanks all. Colin -- cdb, bodgy1@optusnet.com.au on 27/06/2002 -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics