> I am looking for real alternatives that are free! Jal, SDCC, 2C2, or take a gnu C compiler and grind your teeth at retargeting it to PICs (not likely to succeed), or use it to write your own compiler. Wouter van Ooijen -- Van Ooijen Technische Informatica: http://www.voti.nl Jal compiler, Wisp programmer, WLoader bootloader, PICs kopen -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads