If you actually go throught he link he provided, you'll find that he is offering slightly more than the '877. You'll notice that the original message said "kit" There was a reason for that. Here's the kit contents from the ebay site. "In addition to the PIC16F877 microcontroller, the kit also includes one 20 Mhz ceramic resonator with a special breadboard socket, one MAX232 serial conversion chip, one 5 volt regulator, one reset switch, two LEDs, one 9 volt battery clip, one serial cable with breadboard compatible endpoints and a handfull of supporting resistors and capacitors. Everything you need to setup the microcontroller for programming and development work on a standard breadboard (available at Radio Shack) is included." I know that the Technological Arts evaluation board for the MC68HC12B32 that I had to buy for a course (and consisted of little more than is shown here) cost me $150 CAN About 100USD. The only real difference between the two is that the technological arts one was already build on a PCB, and the HC12 costs about 20USD, and considering that the HC12 was in the LQFP package, that's not a big surprise. --Brendan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brandon Stewart" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 4:06 PM Subject: Re: [AD]: PIC16F877 Boot Loader Kit (International Shipping) > Hey, what a rip off. Boot loaders are free, and its not hard for people to > find a pre-burned chip with one for a lot cheaper! Also, This list is not > here for commercial purposes or your own financial gain! -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList mailto:piclist-unsubscribe-request@mitvma.mit.edu