> That may be fine for hobby work, but I need a programmer that I don't have > to waste time "fixing", works accross the product line, and I know will be > supported for future products, and works without any doubt and fussing with > MPLAB. That's why we have two PicstartPlus' around here, which are well > worth it for $100 each. Horses for courses! I have a PicStart+, and I will use it to program a 18f252 for the first time (but first I must update the firmware...), but as soon as I have adapted Wisp628 I will use that exclusively. A PS+ is not well suited to in-circuit programming, and without serial passthrough I feel blind... Wouter van Ooijen -- Van Ooijen Technische Informatica: http://www.voti.nl Jal compiler, Wisp programmer, WLoader bootloader, PICs kopen -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email listserv@mitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body