> If I adopted the "buy a real programmer" attitude, I'd be taking my car > back to the dealer for oil changes and new tires, too. I have a good > programmer (EPIC+ from microEngineering Labs, a Tait style design) and am > considering an even better one (Warp-13). Reason I haven't bought a > Warp-13? Well, the EPIC does everything I need it to do, without > exception, and has never once failed... so there's been no need so far. No that's definitely true. And being a car guy I know -- I do most of the work on my car myself. It turns out that some further exploration of the PICAll site reveals that the PIC16PRO and the PICAll both program the 16F7X. The listings on dontronics, 123, etc. are very incomplete and the listing on PICAll took some prodding to find (it was under software not hardware, shrug). > Some people seem to think that if the manufacturer offers a tool at any > price, that's the only tool you should use. I tend to believe that even > if the manufacturer offers a tool, you should look at others because they > may well be better, or may be of equal quality at a far lower cost. Just > my own personal opinion. Well I looked around the net and found that the SuperPro series were generally less expensive than other models while offering similar if not better performance in some cases. I then even found some on eBay. Since the PIC16PRO and PICAll support what I'm after, I might just get those. I could break down and get a Warp-13.. but if I'm going this route, why bother with the extra functionality? -Erik -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email listserv@mitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body