I have to disagree on this one. If you price your services too low the clients will not see it as a bargain but will instead question the quality of the services. When I was starting out I had jobs that I won by being priced higher than my competition and in one case I subcontracted to the consultant that lost the bid for what he was charging. I kept the difference and was responsible to the client but had the other consultant do the work for much less than what I would have wanted and we both still got what we wanted. He lost the job and the client as a long term customer simply because he was too cheap in the clients mind and the client had no confidence he could do the job at that rate. Larry At 01:17 AM 6/18/02 +1000, you wrote: >John Dammeyer wrote: > > > > So remove yourself from the personal issues of being a good guy or > > developing a reputation so you sell yourself short. The only reputation > > you may get is that you are someone who works cheap while others reap > > the benefits. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > Well I have a client who wants a bid for a project. The design is > > > straightforward, it is half-clone & half-modernization/update of an > > > existing product that I'm very familiar with. Sorry for the vagueness > > > but there is an NDA involved. > > > > > > Now he needs a revamp of this thing for use with other stuff in a > > > "packaged kit" that he will sell. This is a critical piece of the kit > > > and there is no reasonable currently-existing alternative. He has a > > > small line of various products (that he doesn't manufacture, he's the > > > retailer) into a niche market for years and knows his > > > audience well. > > >Hi Jesse, I will take the opposite stance to John above >and suggest that since your consulting business is a >start-up venture you should be working as cheap as possible >(ie NO profit!) until the business has built some type of >customer base. > >I completely disagree with the advice to charge the "full" >rate with any startup business. When you start a business >you should be fully prepared to run the business at a LOSS >for the first 12 months minimum, with very low prices to >establish a customer base and assure future income. When you >get to the point when you have TOO MUCH incoming work, then >gradually increase prices etc until you reach the status >quo you desire. And for that reason I suggest NOT giving up >your day job, you will need some income over that first 12 >months while you get the business established. > >NEVER start a busines with the expectation of making money, >at least not straight away. Always ask, "how many hours and >how many $$ can I sink into this business over the first 12 >months??" and if the answer is less than 20 hours per week >(while you are still working full time elesewhere) and less >than $100 USD per week (the reason you are still working >full time elsewhere) than you are destined to fail. > >So my suggestion, if you are really interested in making >this new busines work, is quote very low (ie UN-profitable) >and do the job while still working full-time. If you do a >decent job you will reap rewards later when sales occur. >Do the same for all jobs in the first 12 months. If you >make it that far then consider giving up full time >employment, provided you have saved a decent ($10G?) >buffer. :o) >-Roman > >-- >http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics >(like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics Larry G. Nelson Sr. mailto:L.Nelson@ieee.org http://www.ultranet.com/~nr -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics