It could be that what you were using before is a parallel cut crystal, since there is a section in the 16F87x manual stating that only series cut crystals will operate. I'd imagine that all the PICs are the same that way, though I haven't checked. At least, that's my best guess. --Brendan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lawrence Lile" To: Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 3:22 PM Subject: Re: [PIC]: Will an unprogrammed chip oscillate? > After fixing a few crossed ICSP wires, the chip programs and verifies OK. > > Well, the plot thickens. I had a 4 MHz crystal and two capacitors (22 pF, > IIRC), and still could not get my PIC to oscillate. > > I replaced the crystal and caps with a 4 MHZ packaged ceramic resonator with > internal caps, and the oscillator strarts fine. > > So what causes one kind of crystal to not oscilate with the PIC, another to > work OK? I've never really run into this before. > > --Lawrence -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.