Will a fresh, unprogrammed chip oscillate if it is powered up? I have a circuit with ICSP that seems to have two problems - first I can't get my programmer to successfully program it, and second, I don't find any signal on the oscillator pins. The first problem is probably going to fall after I make a shorter programmer cable, and double check all the connections, and remove some capacitance that might be in the MCLR line. This has deviled me before. I'll make sure the chip really has 5V and also double check all the wiring to the PIC. Meanwhile, though, I expected the chip would oscillate by default, and I am wondering if I should be seeing something on the OSC pins or not. I am using a 4 MHz crystal, which should require the XT oscillator option. What is the default oscillator fuse on a 16F73? --Lawrence -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.