Sorry but I think you need to give us a bit more to go on. > the programmer is using to for f84 and ok! Which programmer is it? There are so many.... =20 > device id? where it is? f877 is a new one... What? Where is the Device ID location? See the datasheet. >I did not put anything. Did not put anything where??? In the programmer file, in your code? Please explain what equipment you are using, what you have done which = worked and now what you are trying to do which doesn't work. Giving = snippets of code to help if required. Also have you tried looking at the help or getting an update for your = programmer on the web? Regards Pete -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics